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    Default Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    And I hope that the court seizes all of his "winnings" and sends him back to prison for the parole violation.

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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    General question:

    What type of future does one who so often laughs at the misfortune of others deserve?
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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    Quote Originally Posted by FromCity2Country View Post
    General question:

    What type of future does one who so often laughs at the misfortune of others deserve?

    No one is laughing at this guy's misfortune. What's it going to take to get you to accurately portray events around you? Or better yet--what's it going to take to get you to stop attacking posters and talk about the actual topic?

    Bottom line here is that this guy was on parole for robbing banks to get gambling money. As a condition of his parole, he promised to abide by all parole conditions, one of which was that he isn't allowed to gamble or play the lottery while on parole. He could have refused that condition and stayed in prison, but he agreed and gave his word. Now I know that to a Liberal, one's word means nothing, but it really does mean something to the rest of us.
    He broke his word, violated the conditions of his parole, got caught when he won a lottery that he wasn't allowed to play, and now is in line for a parole violation. And why should he be allowed to keep the winnings of a contest that he was barred from? are we to reward his bad act? The only real solution is to just take the money away from him and let him go on with his life once he's answered for his parole violation. And he doesn't suffer any loss because he's not losing anything that he is entitled to possess.

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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk View Post
    And I hope that the court seizes all of his "winnings" and sends him back to prison for the parole violation.
    I heard about this on my way into work this morning. It does sound like he will have to return the money, but to go back to jail for it? I think that is a bit much, especially if that is the only thing he did in violation of parole. The fact that he lost one million dollars is enough punishment. What good is throwing him back in jail going to do?

    I noticed the quote in the article specified buying a lottery ticket. Earlier I heard just the word gambling. I bet a lot of people don't associate gambling with buying a lottery ticket.

    I'd be curious how the terms of parole are presented to people released from prison. Is it a real lengthy legal document or just verbally communicated to the inmate. What attempts are made to make sure the inmate understands the conditions.

    I more on the...

    "Sorry we need to take that $50,000 back."

    instead of

    "Haha you idiot. We got you! Didn't you know buying a lottery ticket is gambling! Back to the slammer you go!"

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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk View Post
    Bottom line here is that this guy was on parole for robbing banks to get gambling money
    I missed the part where it stated he robbed a bank to get gambling money. If there was a gambling problem with this man and it was clearly explained that buying a lottery ticket was in violation of his parole then my thoughts on this particular incident change.

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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    In reading this story on news.com.au, they quote the terms of his parole as this:

    "...'may not gamble, purchase lottery tickets or visit an establishment where gaming is conducted'."

    Now I wonder, how broadly is "an establishment where gaming is conducted" to be interpreted? If he's not allowed to buy lottery tickets, is anyplace that sells them considered to be conducting "gaming"? Practically every convenience store and grocery store in states with a lottery has a lottery machine right there at customer service -- number ticket for the big draw or instant-win scratchoff, pick your poison.

    I'm not sure how much judicial oversight there is of parole terms in Massachusetts, but if that were a phrase out of a piece of legislation prohibiting something, I could easily see it being ruled unacceptably vague (and the legislation thus unenforceable in whole or in part) in a lawsuit, unless "gaming" is a term of art that is known to specifically exclude either selling lottery tickets or places whose primary business is something other than selling them. They should have stuck with prohibiting the activity itself rather than trying to restrict him from the places the activity is conducted.
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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk
    No one is laughing at this guy's misfortune. What's it going to take to get you to accurately portray events around you? Or better yet--what's it going to take to get you to stop attacking posters and talk about the actual topic?
    How about maybe one positive-based topic, as opposed to ones that always seem to be steeped in misfortune, with you agreeing that the person *deserves* the misfortune? If you can't do that, then stick to laughing at falling politicians and immoral "morals squad" people, like I do.

    Because that is "what it's going to take". The light at the end of the tunnel remains dim and distant, so don't worry about it too much. "Great Expectations" is merely the title of a book, you know...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk
    Now I know that to a Liberal, one's word means nothing, but it really does mean something to the rest of us.
    Um, Uh, Um, Uh, oh WTF: Who do you think you are?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk
    And why should he be allowed to keep the winnings of a contest that he was barred from? are we to reward his bad act?
    If this was a term of his parole, then he is not entitled to his winnings, and should be requred to forfeit them back to the *LOTTERY*, not to "the court", as the winnings should have never been honored in the first place, meaning that nobody legally won that drawing. Furthermore, That amount should be credited towards the next jackpot, just like they do when nobody wins a drawing, because that seems to be what happened here.

    Honestly, If the cited circumstances are true, then I see this as no different than a 17 year old pulling a slot machine lever in a casino and winning a forfeited jackpot there, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nanuk
    The only real solution is to just take the money away from him and let him go on with his life once he's answered for his parole violation. And he doesn't suffer any loss because he's not losing anything that he is entitled to possess.
    Like I said, if the circumstances are true, then I actually agree with that very non-judgemental paragraph above. Did RedactedName0001 write that?

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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    I don't consider buying a lottery ticket gambling. Lottery is more like a raffle, or bingo, imo.

    My hubby is out buying a ticket right now. I wanna quit my job and grow orchids, knit fancy things for all my friends, cook yummy food every day, and raise my son to be a prince just like his dad. I'd even do some serious volunteer work to give back to the community, and donate some big $$ to the needy.

    Quick question--where does all the money go that people spend on losing tickets? See, the lottery isn't bad. Although when I was a bartender in FL, there was a man who would come in and get tanked and spend all his $$ on scratch-off tickets. I would try to talk him out of it, but you all know how effective telling a drunk man what to do is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JiveTurkey View Post
    Quick question--where does all the money go that people spend on losing tickets? See, the lottery isn't bad.
    Every lottery I've heard of starting up since the Virginia Lottery in the 80s has justified itself by promising to revolutionize education funding, but interestingly Virginia cut its ed budget to the bone a few years after the lottery started...

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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    If the lottery proceeds really went to fund education, then this country would be chock full of MENSA candidates.

    Who wouldn't buy lottery tickets.

    So it doesn't behoove the lottery commission to engage in the "smartening up" of America's children.
    Have you ever noticed that those who advocate the hardest for personal responsibility never seem to take any when they cause their own negative situations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    If the lottery proceeds really went to fund education, then this country would be chock full of MENSA candidates.

    Who wouldn't buy lottery tickets.

    So it doesn't behoove the lottery commission to engage in the "smartening up" of America's children.
    I just had to second that.

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    Naysayers, don't worry! When we win the big one, I'll remember who my friends are.

    We buy a ticket about 6-8 times a year, I would say.

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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    I guess a scratch-off really isn't gambling, eh?

    Judge Says Ex-Con Can Keep Lottery Winnings



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    Default Re: Felon wins million dollars in lottery--may have to forfiet it.

    I'm not sure why, but this very much amuses me: "He will now have to pay a $65 monthly probation supervisory fee, which had been waived because he was indigent."

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